Tamihere and labour supporters
http://jtc.blogs.com/just_left/
Jordan comments that he wont be commenting on tamihere, I was wiling to bet money that was the case. For some od reason the left seems unwilling to consider the possibility that analysis of their party internal politics might be interesting.. Closing ranks? Of all poeple the Labour supporters and further left should be VERY interested in Tamihere's comments. After-all surely no one thinks he was lying.
Jordan comments that he wont be commenting on tamihere, I was wiling to bet money that was the case. For some od reason the left seems unwilling to consider the possibility that analysis of their party internal politics might be interesting.. Closing ranks? Of all poeple the Labour supporters and further left should be VERY interested in Tamihere's comments. After-all surely no one thinks he was lying.
posted by Genius at 7:35 PM
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Before you cast too many stones, have a look at DFP's comment here on propaganda new network:
http://propagandanews.blogspot.com/2005/04/jordan-carter-homophobias-great-mate.html
As for whether or not Tamihere was lying, I think you're probably right that noone actually believes he was. He actually believes this sh*t, which, to me, is even more frightening.
Jordan is just gutless, too scared to speak out for fear of not slowly weasling himself up the party ladder.
Sounds a bit like you have a problem with the party political system rather than Jordan there Graham. Slowly weasling himself up the party ladder is what they do. Just as lawyers slowly work their way up to partnership, and speaking out in a public forum against their employer is unlikely to help their cause. I don't see Jordan's reaction in this situation as gutless at all, just smart and level-headed.
That last comment was from me. Not trying to hide, just clicked the wrong button. Sorry.
>> As for whether or not Tamihere was lying, I think you're probably right that no one actually believes he was. He actually believes this sh*t, which, to me, is even more frightening.
And we deserve to know what he thinks.
The common line in the media seems to be that he should think all these things (and vote based on them) but not let us know about it. What kind of moronic logic is that?
But having said that we ALREADY knew what he thought so his comments on homosexuals and men’s liberation are things we already knew and are thus unworthy of comment. The comments about labour in general are "new information" and insights you are unlikely to get from elsewhere. Getting upset about the old information and ignoring the new stuff sounds to me like an attempt to confuse the debate.
> Slowly weasling himself up the party ladder is what they do.
As I told jordan you need to realise what is good for Jordan (or Tamihere) is not always what is good for the public.
It is rather like saying "hitler was right to complain about jews because it got him elected" - it is both true from a selfish point of view and false from societies point of view.
basicaly blunt honesty is good for us - dishonesty and coverups are generally good for them.
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